(Imibuzo yomongameli okhoyo we-Skal International, u-Hulya Aslantas. Ujongana nemiba esukela kuqoqosho ukuya kwimiba yangoku yezentlalo ebandakanya ukhenketho. Ukwakhuthaza intlanganiso ye-Skal International e-Paris yokukhumbula isikhumbuzo seminyaka engama-75 yokhenketho olucwangcisiweyo.)
eTN: Kwintetho yakho izolo uthethe ngoonozakuzaku boxolo. Ngaba ungacacisa ngakumbi malunga noko, ngokwembono ka-Skal – yintoni leyo?
U-Hulya: Ngenxa yokuba amalungu e-Skal kumazwe angama-90, iindawo ze-500, amanye amalungu angama-20,000, abaholi beshishini lokuhamba ngamaqela abo, kwaye banamava, banolwazi, kwaye kwinqanaba elithile lolawulo, baba yi-Skal. amalungu. Kwaye ngenxa yoko, i-Skal imele lonke ishishini njengoko usazi. Sinamalungu asuka ezihotele, abameli bohambo, iinkampani zezothutho, amajelo osasazo okhenketho, ezikolweni – yonke into enxulumene nokhenketho, sinamagosa awo aphezulu aphezulu [angamalungu] eSkal. Ukongeza kuthungelwano kunye nokwenza ishishini kunye nokukhulisa ubuhlobo bethu kunye, ndiyakholelwa ukuba i-Skal kunye nawo onke amalungu e-Skal banomsebenzi wokuqinisekisa ukuzinza kokhenketho, umsebenzi wethu, kuba oorhulumente basekhaya, iinkampani zabucala, banokuba neenjongo ezahlukeneyo, kodwa siyi-NGO ngoko ke sinokuba liqela loxinzelelo ukuba sixelele kwaye siqondise ukhenketho kwicala elifanelekileyo, kuba sithi sokukhathazeka ngokukhula okunempilo kokhenketho. Akusoloko imali, akusoloko indalo enyulu, kodwa kufuneka sifumane ibhalansi echanekileyo kwiinkalo ezahlukeneyo zokhenketho. Kulo mba, iinkokeli kwezokhenketho, kufuneka siwukhathalele umgangatho. Akufunekanga siwuphose umgangatho. Ixabiso akufanele lihlale liyingxaki, kodwa umntu kufuneka asikhumbuze. Ke nditsho ukuba onke amalungu eSkal anoxanduva lokuqala ngokudala ulwazi kwaye emva kwaloo maxabiso. Kuyo yonke le nto, kukho inkalo yenkcubeko, endiyikhankanye izolo – endingathanda ukuyisebenzisa njengomxholo wam wonyaka. Ndithi amalungu eSkal anokunceda ukuhlanganisa iinkcubeko, kuba sikwiinkcubeko ezininzi ezahlukeneyo, kumazwe angaphezu kwama-90, kwaye inani lamazwe likhula yonke imihla. Ekubeni sisuka kwiinkampani ezininzi ezahlukeneyo, kodwa sithetha ulwimi olunye lokhenketho, kwaye simanyene kakhulu. Ngoko ke, xa sisonke, ukuba sinokwenza olu tshintshiselwano lwenkcubeko phakathi kwabo bonke aba bantu bahlukeneyo, iindawo ezahlukeneyo zehlabathi, ngoko abantu baya kuqala ukwazi ngakumbi, okuya kubulala ucalucalulo, oluya kubulala iingcamango ezicatshangelwe ngaphambili, kwaye ngale ndlela abantu baya kusondela; Ngoko ke, ndithi yonke iSkalleague ngunozakuzaku woxolo ukwenza oku kwenzeke.
eTN: Ukubulala ingqiqo libinzana elinamandla. Cacisa ngakumbi kwinto oyithethayo ngaloo nto.
UHulya: Ngelishwa, kwishishini lanamhlanje “lokutya okukhawulezayo”, abantu abanalo ixesha elininzi lokungena nzulu kuyo yonke ingcamango entsha okanye yonke into entsha abayivayo, kodwa kukho imifanekiso eqingqiweyo; bayathanda ukuyithabatha eshelufini – nantoni na abayivayo, bayakholelwa. Akukho mntu unexesha lokungena ezantsi ukuze aqonde ukuba yintoni na. Ke abantu abaninzi, ngakumbi amajelo eendaba, ngamanye amaxesha anika umbono omnye, kwaye abantu bathathe loo mbono. Kwaye abantu, ukuba bayalwa kwaye ukuba kukho iimfazwe, ndicinga ukuba kungenxa yeengcamango eziphosakeleyo. Okukhona abantu nezizwe besondelelana kwaye besazi amasiko omnye komnye, besazana inkcubeko yomnye, baqalise ukufumanisa ukuba ngokwenene kukho ukufana ngakumbi kuneyantlukwano. Kwaye ngomzuzu le ntsebenziswano iqiniswe kakuhle, akukho ndlela yokulwa, kodwa ngokuchaseneyo, baya kuba kunye kwaye baya kusebenzisana. Jonga iYurophu, jonga kwimbali yethu yamva nje. Kubekho iimfazwe zeminyaka elikhulu kulo lonke elaseYurophu – iBritane isilwa neFransi, iFransi isilwa neJamani, kuba nangaloo mihla babengazani. Ngoko wonke umntu wayenenkcubeko yakhe. Kwaye namhlanje, ngaba unokuthelekelela imfazwe phakathi kwezo zizwe zaseYurophu? Kungenxa yokuba babengazani kakuhle, kodwa ngoku kukho iingcambu zehlabathi, kwaye abazani, ngoko kufuneka sibasondeze.
eTN: Uphinde wabeka inqaku malunga norhulumente ngoku ebuthathaka kwaye imibutho yabucala ngoku yomelele – yintetho enesibindi leyo, ngakumbi kula maxesha.
Hulya: Andithi ba weak. Nditsho ukuba abantu bekamva, bathi inkulungwane yama-21, oorhulumente baya kuba buthathaka ngakumbi. Xa ndisithi buthathaka, izakuba ncinci – mhlawumbi khange ndisebenzise igama elichanekileyo – ziya kuba ncinci, kodwa inyathelo lokuqala liya kuba ncinci; oko kuthetha ukuba abantu abacingayo - iimbono zabo kunye namaqela abo oxinzelelo ziya kuba nzima ngakumbi. Le yeyona nto bendiyithetha, kwaye abantu, ngokwabo, baya kuthatha isigqibo, kwaye baya kufuna…uxinzelelo lwabo… oorhulumente baya kunyanzeleka ukuba benze… kwaye abayi kuyalela, kodwa uxinzelelo luya kuvela ezantsi ukuya phezulu, hayi ukusuka phezulu. Ngubani othi. Ayindim lo ndiyithethayo, kodwa eneneni le ngabantu abathi inkulungwane yama-21 iya kuba ngolu hlobo.
eTN: ISkal ngumbutho wamazwe ngamazwe. Uthini umbono wakho malunga nokuqhubeka eZimbabwe apho iziseko zokhenketho zingumona weendawo ezininzi zaseAfrika kuba zilapho – iihotele zikhona, izikhululo zeenqwelo moya zikho. Njengomongameli we-Skal, ungajongana njani nokukhuthaza okanye ukunganyusi ukhenketho eZimbabwe kwimeko yezopolitiko?
U-Hulya: Kodwa ndicinga ukuba nakwiindawo apho kunokubakho iingxaki, iingxaki zendawo, nantoni na, ukhenketho kufuneka luqhubeke, kuba kwakhona, ukuba ukhenketho luyaqhubeka, abantu baya kuhamba kwaye baya kuzifuna. Kwaye abayi kuzifuna kuphela, kodwa nabantu basekuhlaleni bathetha neendwendwe zangaphandle, baya kufunda omnye komnye. Kwakhona, akukho mntu ufanele ayeke ukuya nakweliphi na ilizwe, ngenxa yalo naluphi na ucalucalulo okanye esithi andiyi apho kuba ndingalithandi elo lizwe okanye indlela elilawulwa ngayo. Ngokuchasene noko - kufuneka bahambe kwaye kufuneka bazame ukubona, kuba ilizwe ngalinye linembali yalo, linenyaniso yalo, akukho nto ifanayo, nangona sisuka kude, siyazama, siyathanda, nangona namhlanje. ubugcisa, sikholisa ukuthatha ezinye stereotype A, B, C. Ayilulanga ngolo hlobo ngenene.
eTN: Hayi, inzima kakhulu kunoko. Uthethe ngomsebenzi wamaqela oxinzelelo. Zeziphi iipolisi othetha ngazo xa usitsho kwaye uyenza njani loo nto?
U-Hulya: Ndicinga ukuba iqela loxinzelelo kuwo onke amacandelo, unokwenza iqela lakho loxinzelelo - kwicandelo lezonyango, kwicandelo lezemigodi, imboni, ukhenketho, kuyo yonke into. Kodwa kwakhona, isuka ezantsi ukuya phezulu. Kukwamkeleka ngokubanzi kunye nokuzimisela kwabantu abakulo shishino lukhethekileyo - kufuneka bagqibe ngento abayifunayo ngaphezu kokuba kufuneka baxelelwe into abafanele ukuyifuna.
eTN: Igqwesile; ngumbono omkhulu lowo. Ukhenketho ngoxolo nobuhlobo - ukuchazile oko izolo. Ngaba ungacacisa ngakumbi ngaloo nto?
U-Hulya: Lo ngumxholo kamongameli owamiselwa ngumongameli wethu wokuqala uMary Bennett, kwaye eli liqela likamongameli eliphuma namhlanje ukusuka kunyaka ka-2002 okanye wesi-3. Kuba unokuba nalo njani ukhenketho ukuba akukho luxolo? Kwindawo apho kukho imfazwe, ngokucacileyo, akunakubakho ukhenketho. Kodwa kuphinde kube vice versa ngamanye amaxesha. Udinga ukhenketho ukuze ubulale iimfazwe, ngoko ke ukhenketho ngoxolo, uxolo ngokhenketho; zihamba kunye ngenene. Ke kulaa element, enyanisweni, ndiyongeza ngoku njengeqela lam likamongameli, elidibanisa amasiko, kuba ngokudibanisa amasiko ngoku, ndithi ukhenketho, ukuba lwenziwa ngaphandle kwenkcubeko, alusoloko lunceda uxolo. . Ngenxa yokuba kukho iintlobo zokhenketho, njengoko sisazi, oluphuhla ngokukhawuleza kakhulu - ukhenketho oluninzi - luhamba neetshatha, kwiindawo ekuchithelwa kuzo iiholide, ngaphandle kokunxibelelana nabantu basekuhlaleni; ke, olu hlobo lokhenketho lulodwa aluyi kunceda le ntsebenziswano yenkcubeko. Ngoko ke, inkalo yenkcubeko yokhenketho kufuneka ibekho. Kwaye ndithetha ukuba, kuphela ukuba abantu bayasebenzisana apho bekhona, bazama ukufunda abantu basekuhlaleni, kwaye abahlali bazama ukufunda kubantu basemzini, ngaphandle kokuba neendonga phakathi kweendawo zokungcebeleka kunye nabantu basekuhlaleni, ngoko olu hlobo lokhenketho, apho iinkcubeko zidityanisiwe, oku kuya kunceda uxolo lwehlabathi.
eTN: Ndicinga ukuba licebo elihle elo, nangona kunjalo, nantsi into endifuna ukukuxelela yona. Ngokusekwe kwiiMaldives kuphela, banolawulo olutsha ngoku, kodwa ngaphambi koko, urhulumente ngokwakhe wanciphisa intsebenziswano yabahlali.
UHulya: Uyabona, oku kuphosakele; oku akulunganga.
eTN: Ke iSkal International, njengombutho, uceba ukwenza njani…
Hulya: Yilento ndiyithethayo. Ukuba siyakholelwa, kwaye sigxile kwezi… abalawuli, iqumrhu elilawulayo, umongameli, unomsebenzi wokwenza amaqhinga athile. Kwaye ukuba ndiyithetha le nto ndiyithethayo ngokuvala iinkcubeko, ngoko senza amalungu ethu oonozakuzaku ukuba bawuse lo myalezo kuluntu lwabo. Ngoko ke naphi na apho sineeklabhu ze-Skal kuzo zonke ezi ndawo, umsebenzi wabo uya kuba kukushumayela oku, iya kuba kukufundisa uxanduva lwabo kwiindawo zabo. Ngokomzekelo, amalungu ethu, kwaye kwakhona, amaqela oxinzelelo, awafundisi kuphela amalungu awo, kodwa kufuneka adale ulwazi, kwaye ngaba kufuneka bafundise urhulumente. Ngenxa yokuba abanye oorhulumente kwiindawo ezisemagqagaleni, basenokucinga ukuba ngenxa yentlalo-ntle yokhenketho, bafanele babakhusele ngokwenene abakhenkethi yaye bangavumeli abantu basekuhlaleni baphazamise. Bacinga ukuba benza into elungileyo. Ngoko ke amalungu ethu kufuneka abaxelele ukuba oku akulunganga, kwaye, enyanisweni, le yeyona nto iphambili yophuhliso oluzinzileyo - lunxibelelwano nenkcubeko kunye nemidiya yoluntu apho bakhoyo.
eTN: Uthe kufuneka uqinisekise ukuba ukhenketho luhamba ngendlela. Ungacacisa ngakumbi ngale nto?
UHulya: Ewe, ukhenketho luhamba ngendlela efanelekileyo, oko kuthetha ukuba asikulibali, umzekelo, ukulibala icandelo lomgangatho, imilinganiselo ethile, ukuziphatha, ukukhuselwa kwabantwana. Ngenxa yokuba ukhenketho lishishini elibanzi, kwaye lunezinto ezininzi, kwaye ukuba siyaluvumela ukuba lukhule ngaphandle kokulawulwa kakhulu, lunokuphelelwa kulawulo.
eTN: Kwaye kukho imiba ekhoyo ngoku.
UHulya: Kukho imiba; kukho imiba, ngoko ke kukho imiba ethile ekufuneka icaciswe kakuhle kwaye ngamanye amaxesha ilawulwe kwaye ilawulwe. Ke ngoko umzekelo, ngolu khenketho lukhulu – ndiyaloyika kakhulu ukhenketho oluninzi ngamanye amaxesha. Ininzi kakhulu. Iphulukana nomntu ngamnye, ayiboni nyani indawo ekuyiwa kuyo njengoko injalo. Kwaye xa ixabiso likuphela komcimbi, ngelishwa, umgangatho uyehla, kodwa asinakuyeka umgangatho wehle. Ke ngoko, njengaseTurkey, siye sazisa iiMbasa zoMgangatho weSkal, esiwabiza ngokuba nguMgangatho weSkal, iSkalite, sayibiza, kwaye lo ngunyaka weshumi elinanye sele iSkalite Awards ibe siskimu sembasa kuphela kwezohambo kunye nokhenketho, kwaye sikhona. ukuwonga kuphela abantu kunye neenkampani ezisebenzela umgangatho kwezokhenketho. Asimniki owona mkhulu okanye lowo uze nelona nani liphezulu labakhenkethi okanye lowo uze nenani eliphezulu lotshintshiselwano. Sinikezela kuphela ezo nkampani kwezokhenketho eziye zongeza kumgangatho wemveliso, oko kukuthi, ndicinga ukuba yinto ebaluleke kakhulu ekufuneka ikhunjuzwe. Ke thina malungu eSkal, sikhona ukuze siqaqambise ezona zenzo zingcono kwaye sixelele abantu ukuba le nto ngoku iza kuwongwa ngaphandle kokuzisa amanani angaka.
eTN: Mna ngokwam ndicinga ukuba ngumbono omhle lowo. Ngoku ungumongameli weSkal International, ngaba uza kuza nenguqulelo yoku kwinqanaba lamazwe ngamazwe?
UHulya: Enyanisweni, sele sinayo. Ndandisele ndiyibhalile lento ndingu counselling kwi Skal International, so sele sine Skal Quality Awards as a product ye Skal International, ngaphandle kwe gama, kuba kwakukho ukungavisisani negama, kodwa sine programme ethi Skal Quality. Amabhaso, eluxwebhu olusemthethweni lwe-Skal International, kodwa, kunjalo, singathanda ukuyityhala ngakumbi ngexesha lobongameli bam.
eTN: Iqhele ukwenzeka nini le nto?
UHulya: ETurkey, kwenzeka rhoqo ngonyaka ngo-Oktobha, ngoNovemba.
eTN: Kwabo bangayiqhelanga iSkal, ungawuchaza umbutho?
UHulya: Ewe, ewe. I-Skal ngumbutho omangalisayo, kwaye ndithi yeyona mfihlelo igcinwe okwethutyana, kuba sinezinto ezininzi, ezininzi ezizodwa. Kwaye njengakuwo onke amacandelo, wonke umntu unomntu okhuphisana naye, kodwa u-Skal akanaye umntu okhuphisana naye, kwaye akanakuze abe nomntu okhuphisana naye, kuba sineempawu ezikhethekileyo, kangangokuba akunakwenzeka ukulinganisa oko. Bazintoni? Okokuqala, iSkal International yasekwa njengombutho ngo-1934 nangaphambi kokuba ukhenketho luqatshelwe njengeshishini elahlukileyo, ishishini elikhulu. Yayiyiqela lokuqala labachwephesha bokuhamba kunye nokhenketho, kwaye iminyaka emininzi, yahlala iyiklabhu ekhethekileyo yeengcali zokuhamba. Ngoko ke, sineminyaka engama-75 ubudala. Kulo nyaka uzayo sibhiyozela iminyaka yethu engama-75. Kuloo nkalo ke, sisodwa, yaye akukho bani unokulingana noko; awunakubuyela emva kwimbali. Mhlawumbi singowona mbutho mkhulu wokhenketho kumazwe angama-90, iindawo ezingama-500, ngaphezulu kwama-20,000 amalungu okwenyani. Kwaye singcono kakhulu yakhiwe. Kwiindawo ezingama-500, sinombutho ongakholelekiyo osekwe ngemithetho yethu, imithetho kamasipala, kakhulu, kufuneka nditsho…
eTN: Ukucaca.
I-Hulya: Iselubala, kodwa kunye nemithetho engqongqo kakhulu. Ngoko yonke into isendaweni; ukuba isebenza kuyo yonke indawo ngokufanayo, ilawulwa kakuhle kakhulu, njl., ngoko ke isakhiwo sihle kakhulu. Kwaye kwakhona, enye into eyodwa, kukuba, phakathi kwayo yonke le nto, onke amalungu kufuneka abonise amacandelo ahlukeneyo oshishino lokhenketho. Ayisiyonto nje yokuza kunye okanye ayizizo iiarhente zokuhamba kuphela, kodwa singamacandelo oshishino lokhenketho kunye nokhenketho - abaphathi abadala kushishino lokhenketho kunye nokhenketho badibana phantsi kwe-Skal. Yiyo ke le nto isenza ukuba sibe yeyona NGO enkulu kunye nekuphela kwe-NGO kwezokhenketho, kuba xa sikunye, simele ukhenketho lonke; asiyonxalenye nje enye yokhenketho, kodwa icandelo lonke limelwe. Ke ngoko, kufuneka sijolise, kwaye umnqweno wethu ube, ukuba liqela loxinzelelo kwimigangatho ephuculayo yokhenketho - yokhenketho lwethu lwasekhaya kunye nokhenketho lwehlabathi kuba onke amalungu ethu, siwamele, ewonke, onke amasebe okhenketho. ishishini. Ke ngaloo ndlela, iSkal yodwa ngokwenene kwaye ingumbutho omangalisayo.
eTN: Iyavakala, kwaye ngumbutho oncomekayo. Ngoku, umsebenzi wakho njengomongameli ubandakanya ntoni?
UHulya: Ngoko ngokwenene umsebenzi wam kukushumayela emhlabeni wonke nge-Skal kungekhona kwihlabathi kuphela, kodwa nakwamalungu ethu, kuba ndihlala ndisithi ukuba uzalwa kwintsapho ecebile kakhulu, awukwazi ukuba yintoni. kukuhlwempuzeka okanye ukulamba. Ngenxa yokuba amalungu e-Skal azalelwa kulo mbutho ocebileyo onazo zonke ezi mpawu zikhethekileyo, kwaye ndiyoyika kwiminyaka, sivame ukuyithatha kancinci. Ngoku, umsebenzi wam kukushumayela kuwo onke amalungu ethu, kungekuphela nje malunga neempawu zethu ezizodwa, kodwa nezo mpawu zikhethekileyo, sinoxanduva kukhenketho lwehlabathi. Ke kufuneka sonke sicinge, zonke ezi zinto bendinixelela zona, uxanduva oluthile, kuba singoovulindlela, siziinkokeli kwiindawo zethu, ngoko ke sinoxanduva lokuqhubeka nemiyalezo yokuzinza, yokuziphatha. , yale bhulorho kwiinkcubeko, nokuba ngoonozakuzaku boxolo. Ke oku kungaphezulu nangaphezulu komsebenzi wethu, sinomsebenzi womsebenzi wethu, ukusebenzela umsebenzi wethu.
eTN: Ndisuka kwinkomfa ebijongene nemigaqo yokuziphatha kwezokhenketho, kwaye omnye wemixholo emikhulu ibiyimibutho engenzi nzuzo eyenza ingeniso ngemirhumo yobulungu kunye/okanye nokubamba iindibano. Uthini umbono wakho kuloo nto?
UHulya: Akunjalo ngoSkal; Nantso kuphela into endinokuthi ndiyiqale, kodwa ukuba umbutho unokwenza imali kwaye usebenzise loo mali ngesizathu esithile, kutheni kungenjalo? Kodwa abantu, ngenxa yokuba la maqela okuzithandela kunye nemibutho yokuzithandela, abantu baya kujoyina kwaye baya kuhlala apho xa bebona inzuzo kuyo. Ngoko akukho mntu ubanyanzelayo, ngokwenene. Kodwa andiboni, noko uSkal akenzi nto injalo, kwaye ndinqwenela ukuba besisenza imali eninzi.
eTN: Logama nje kukho izinto elubala.
U-Hulya: Kwaye ngaphezu koko, uyazi, thina, ngokuqinisekileyo, sonke, sinombutho wethu kwilizwe apho sihlolwe khona kwaye zonke iirekhodi zikhona kunye nohlahlo lwabiwo-mali kwaye yonke into icacile, icacile kakhulu. Kodwa ukuba kukho imali ekhoyo, ekubeni singumbutho ongenzi nzuzo, loo mali kufuneka isetyenziswe kwakhona kwintlalontle yamalungu ethu okanye yoluntu, ngoko ke, nayiphi na imali eyongezelelweyo inendawo yokuya kuyo, ngokuqinisekileyo.
eTN: Igqwesile; Ilungile lonto. Ume phi uSkal kubunzima boqoqosho lwehlabathi?
U-Hulya: Ewe, siphila nayo, kuba onke amalungu ethu, emva koko, anamalungu athile, ngandlela-thile anxulumene nenkampani ethile eyenza ishishini, kwaye sonke sihamba kweli xesha linomdla kakhulu. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba ukhenketho, njengoko sihlala sisitsho, ukhenketho lishishini elibuthathaka kakhulu, ewe, kodwa ukhenketho luphile kwiminyaka embalwa edlulileyo iingxaki ezininzi ezahlukeneyo, kangangokuba ndicinga ukuba nathi siphuhlise ezethu, ulubiza njani...
eTN: Ukuxhathisa?
U-Hulya: Ukuchasa, kwaye siyayazi indlela yokuzikhusela, kuba ukhenketho lushishino namhlanje ekungekho mntu unokuyeka. Sasicinga ukuba olu hlobo lwesifo okanye lolo hlobo lobunqolobi okanye olu hlobo lwesiphithiphithi, lwalumisa ukhenketho - hayi, oku kwaba lixesha elifutshane. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba ukusukela namhlanje, ukusukela ngoku, ukhenketho yinto efana nokutya, ukusela, ukulala. Ukhenketho alusayi kuyeka; ukhenketho lunokukhula kuphela, kwaye luya kuba nolwalo uhlobo lokhuseleko kwaye mhlawumbi nokutshintsha kwemithetho, kodwa ukhenketho luya kuhlala lukhula. Kwaye andikholelwa ukuba le ngxaki ikhoyo ngoku wonke umntu athetha ngayo, ndicinga ukuba ingokwengqondo ngakumbi kunokuba injalo, kwaye ndicinga ukuba siya kuyoyisa. Ndicinga ukuba amalungu ethu omelele ngokwaneleyo; eli shishini lomelele kakhulu ukoyisa. Mhlawumbi kuya kubakho utshintsho kwishishini, mhlawumbi kuya kubakho, mhlawumbi ezinye iintlanganiso ziya kuncipha, kodwa ngokubanzi, andiboni nakuphi na ukubuya umva kumanani okhenketho.
eTN: Ukutshintsha kwemozulu – uthini uluvo lukaSkal ngalo mba?
UHulya: Oh, sinovelwano kakhulu kuloo nto. Njengoko ukhumbula, unyaka wama-2002 ibingunyaka wokhenketho lwendalo e (iintaba?), njengoko kubhengezwe ziZizwe eziManyeneyo. Kwangaloo nyaka kanye, u-Skal ugqibe kwelokuba aphehlelele amabhaso e-eco-tourism. Ke lo ibingunyaka esaqala ngawo amabhaso e-eco-tourism kwaye ngenene injongo yethu kukuyo, kwakhona, ukubonisa ezona zenzo zibalaseleyo kulo mba kunye nokubonisa ilizwe, ukwenza ulwazi, ukudala ubuntununtunu ekufuneka sonke lumka kakhulu. Kwakhona, sithetha ngozinzo - yintoni esiyenzayo? Sineenkqubo ezithile. Umzekelo, iSkal kulo nyaka uphelileyo iqokelele izimvo kuwo onke amalungu ayo, saze saprinta incwadana, incwadana ebizwa ngokuba “101 Tips for Sustainable Tourism,” kuba wonke umntu uthetha ngayo, kodwa kuthekani ngayo ngokubonakalayo; ndenze ntoni ngobu busuku; ndenze ntoni eofisini yam? Ngoko ke, ithiyori iyasebenza. Ke le, umzekelo, incwadana entle kakhulu, ekhoyo kwiwebhusayithi yethu. Ngoko sicela onke amalungu ethu kunye nezahluko zendawo, iiklabhu zendawo ukuba zikhuphe olu xwebhu kwaye ziprinte kwaye zenze iisemina, kwakhona, kwiindawo zabo, ukufundisa abantu, abantu abasebenzela ukhenketho, kwakhona, oorhulumente basekhaya. – nkqu oorhulumente, badinga imfundo eninzi. Ukungazi akulohlazo; ukungafundi kulihlazo, kwaye sinomsebenzi, kwakhona, ndiyeza kuxanduva lwethu, sinomsebenzi esiwucelayo kumalungu ethu egameni lika-Skal, egameni leenkokeli zombutho wezokhenketho, ukuba siye kwaye. bafundise uluntu lwabo, ukubaxelela into ekufuneka beyenzile ukukhusela ilizwe lethu. Kungoku nje sikwinkqubo yokuba, silugqibile uyilo lokuqala; sityikitya isivumelwano neNkqubo yokusiNgqongileyo yeZizwe eziManyeneyo. Simemorandam yokuqondana. Silwenzile uyilo lokuqala, kwaye luza kusayinwa nanini na, endiya kukwazisa ngalo xa sityikitya…
eTN: Phantsi kwe UNWTO iambrela okanye...
IHulya: iZizwe Ezimanyeneyo; iphantsi kwe-UN – UNEP – iNkqubo yokuSingqongileyo yeZizwe eziManyeneyo. Kwaye imemorandam yokuqonda ikulungele ukusayinwa apho kukho imigaqo-nkqubo abayiphuhlisayo. Ngoko ke siya kuthatha loo migaqo-nkqubo, siyinike amalungu ethu, siya kuyithatha ukuze iphunyezwe, ngoko siya kusebenzisa ubulungu be-Skal ngesizathu sokwenene.
eTN: Le ncwadana ubuthetha ngayo - yeyabantu?
UHulya: Ikwindawo yethu yoluntu.
eTN: Ngoko ayingokungena ...
UHulya: Hayi, hayi; ayisiyiyo, kuba sifuna olu hlobo lolwazi lufumaneke kuye wonke umntu, kwaye, kulo nyaka uphelileyo, siye savelisa iphepha elahlukileyo kwiwebhusayithi yethu, eya kuthi ekuhambeni kwexesha ibe yibhlog, kodwa okwangoku, xa yiza kwiwebhusayithi yethu, www.skal.org, ukuba ucofa kwilogo yophuhliso oluzinzileyo, kukuthatha kwiwebhusayithi eyahlukileyo apho siqokelele khona zonke iintlobo zolwazi malunga nophuhliso oluzinzileyo, malunga namabhaso e-eco-tourism - abaphumeleleyo ngoku, ikamva. imithetho yokungena. Sinalo lonke uluhlu lwabo bonke abaphumeleleyo ukuza kuthi ga ngoku kunye needilesi zabo zewebhu. Sinazo zonke izaziso. Ke eli phepha apho ufumana khona zonke iintlobo zolwazi olusebenzayo, ukuthunyelwa, izibhengezo zamva nje kwaye le ncwadi "yeNgcebiso ezili-101" ikhona xa ucofa, ungayifunda yonke.
eTN: Intle kakhulu. Ndiyavuya ukuva ukuba iyafumaneka kuye nabani na ukuba ayikhuphele.
U-Hulya: Ayikuko ukukhuphela, kodwa, hayi, ndiqinisekile ukuba banokukhuphela ngokunjalo. Iiklabhu zinokuyikhuphela, kodwa zinokujonga kuyo.
eTN: Ingxaki yokutya – umi phi uSkal ngalo mba?
UHulya: Jonga kwakhona, ukuba ukhenketho lwehlabathi luyaphucuka ngendlela efanelekileyo, oko kuthetha ukuthi ludala amathuba emisebenzi, oko kuthetha ukuba lunceda ukuphelisa intlupheko, oko kuthetha ukuba… Kodwa xa ubuza [ngengxaki] yokutya, uthetha ngezolimo. …
eTN: Ewe, kukho ingxaki yokunqongophala kokutya ebangele udushe kwiindawo ezithile zehlabathi.
U-Hulya: Ewe, ewe, ngokukhula kwesizwe sethu, xa ndandikwisikolo samabanga aphakamileyo, abantu behlabathi babezibhiliyoni ezi-2.5… namhlanje sifumana i-6.5, 7 – iya isanda…ifumana ihlabathi elixinene kakhulu. Ke, ewe, izibonelelo zethu ziya zinqongophala, kwaye kufuneka kubekho… kodwa kukwakhona ukutya okuninzi okumoshayo, ngelishwa. Ndiyathetha, siyayibona. Ukutya okuninzi, okuninzi… ezinye zezibonelelo… ezinye iindawo zehlabathi zityebile kakhulu kwaye ezinye izixhobo azisetyenziswa kakuhle, kwaye ezinye zinqongophele kakhulu, ngoko ke ulungelelwano olungcono luyafuneka phakathi kwabo banethamsanqa nangaphantsi. -indawo ezinethamsanqa. Yiprojekthi enkulu, kunjalo.
eTN: Masithethe ngeTurkey – kuqhubeka ntoni kwezokhenketho kule mihla?
U-Hulya: Ukhenketho lwaseTurkey, ndicinga ukuba, lolunye uhlobo oluhle, olufanelekileyo lokujongwa. Ukuqala kwam ukhenketho ngeminyaka yee-1970, iTurkey yayineebhedi ezingama-50,000 kuphela, yaye namhlanje sifana neebhedi ezisondele kwisigidi. Sasingaphantsi kwesigidi iindwendwe eziza eTurkey; abantu abamalunga namawaka ambalwa besiza eTurkey. Namhlanje, simalunga nezigidi ezingama-25 zabakhenkethi. Kwakhona, andifuni ukunyusa amanani kakhulu, kodwa sakhe kakhulu unxweme; Unxweme lwaseAntalya, kwiMeditera luneendawo zokuchithela iiholide ezimangalisayo. Sineehotele ezintle, kwaye ishishini lokhenketho linamandla kakhulu. Sikhula kuphela, kuba, uyazi, sisikelelwe ngokwenene. Kusenokwenzeka ukuba lelona lizwe lityebileyo ehlabathini kwezokhenketho. Ndithetha ukuthi, sizibiza ngokuba yimyuziyam evulekileyo. Kuyo yonke indawo oyimbayo, kuba yindawo entle kakhulu, ukuba zonke iimpucuko ezidlulileyo ziye zaza zahlala eTurkey; eAnatolia, embindini, eAsia minor, into oyibizayo. Lo mmandla ubungaphezu kwe-18, 20 impucuko edlulayo… imbali ibuyela emva kwiminyaka eyi-10,000; kwaneendawo zokuqala zokuhlala zaziseAntalya. Ngoko sizizityebi kakhulu ngokubhekisele kwiintsalela zembali. Sizizityebi kakhulu ngobuhle bendalo. Sirhangqwe yi… iinxalenye ezintathu zijikelezwe lulwandle. Imozulu intle, ukutya kugqwesile, ikhitshi ligqwesile. Ke unalo lonke icandelo olifunayo, kwakhona, ngaphezulu kunokufuneka ulenze ilizwe elimangalisayo lokhenketho. Kwaye anditsho ukuba siyayixhaphaza yonke okwangoku. Kusekuninzi ekufuneka kwenziwe; kusekho iimveliso ezininzi ekufuneka zinikwe, kodwa sisendleleni elungileyo. Ngenxa yokuba sinokhenketho lwenkcubeko, sinokhenketho oluninzi, kodwa sinolunye ukhenketho oluninzi. I-Turkey yindawo apho sinezityalo ezininzi ezihlala zikhona; izinto ezininzi ezizodwa. Nangona kunjalo, kukho iimveliso ezininzi ekufuneka siziphuhlise, kodwa lilizwe elihle labakhenkethi.
eTN: Ngaba ithetha nantoni na ukuba iTurkey ibe yinxalenye yeManyano yaseYurophu ngokwembono yezokhenketho?
UHulya: Ewe, akunjalo, akunjalo. Yinto yezopolitiko eneneni esendleleni. Lunxibelelwano, masilubize – lunxibelelwano – ngelishwa, nokuba ulapho okanye ulapho, akunamsebenzi kwaphela. Ilizwe likhona, kwaye ngabona bantu banobuhlobo kakhulu, abantu abamkela kakhulu, kwaye njengomsebenzi wam, bendisoloko ndingummeli owamkelayo eTurkey. Ngaphezulu kweminyaka engama-30, ndenza into efanayo, kwaye wonke umntu ukususela ngaloo mihla ukuya namhlanje uthetha into efanayo njengokuba, uyazi, bafundiswe, uyazi, xa uya eTurkey ukuthetha oku. Wonke umntu uthi isivakalisi esifanayo - Owu Thixo wam, sasingazi ukuba iTurkey yayintle kakhulu, sasingazi ukuba iTurkey yayisisityebi, sasingazi ukuba abantu banobungane. Kodwa, ndiyathetha, wonke umntu uthetha into enye, kwaye, ewe, yeyona ntshukumisa inkulu esinokuyifumana. Emva kokuba uve loo mazwi, ngokucacileyo, ungathanda ukwenza ngcono nangcono. Kodwa ndicinga ukuba iTurkey lixabiso elihle kakhulu kwimali esetyenzisiweyo. Sinamaxabiso afanelekileyo, kodwa imveliso emangalisayo; iihotele ezintle kakhulu. Abantu abasebenza kwezokhenketho baphile kakuhle kakhulu. Sinezikolo ezininzi zokhenketho; inqanaba lemfundo nalo lihle kakhulu, ngoko ke lilizwe elimangalisayo.
eTN: Ndicinga ukuba, eneneni, iTurkish Airlines yenye yeenqwelomoya ezinengeniso kule mihla.
Hulya: Bayanda. Xa inqwelomoya ijongene neengxaki, iTurkish Airlines ikhula; iyakhula ngenene.
eTN: Uyichaza njani loo nto?
UHulya: Ndicinga ukuba yinto nje yelizwe lethu. Umzekelo, uyazi, ukukunika nje umzekelo olula, owandichukumisayo. Xa ezi ntsuku iinkampani zenqwelomoya zisengxakini ngenene kwaye zicutha neti, ikofu abayiphakelayo, kuyo yonke into. Ndaye ndachukumiseka mna, kuba andizange ndayibona loo nto ngaphambili. Kwinqwelomoya esuka e-Istanbul isiya eLondon, eyayiyinqwelomoya yasekuseni, banika isidlo sakusasa, kulungile. Kodwa phambi kwesidlo sakusasa, kwezoqoqosho, baye banika [i]menyu kwiklasi yezoqoqosho, inqwelomoya eqhelekileyo, eLondon-Istanbul. Yinqwelomoya yeeyure ezintathu kuphela.
eTN: Asiyonqwelomoya ende.
UHulya: Asiyohambo ende kakhulu, hayi. Kodwa ke imenyu yasasazwa kwiklasi yezoqoqosho kwaye ibhalwe kakuhle kakhulu, ngokumangalisayo, enencasa kakhulu, ukhetho oluninzi, kunye nomphambili omnandi - yonwabele isidlo sakho sakusasa; siyathemba ukuba uyakuyonwabela le nto siyibonisayo- kwaye olu hlobo lomyalezo wokubulisa owenziwe nguwe, ebendicinga ukuba uyamangalisa, uyazi, xa ezinye iinkampani zihlawulisa imali eyongeziweyo, hayi ngaphezulu - umthwalo wesandla...
eTN: Umqamelo.
Hulya: Okanye umqamelo, okanye nantoni na…
eTN: Kufuneka ndize eTurkey ndiphande ukuba kuqhubeka ntoni.
Hulya: Ndicela wenze njalo. Ngamaxesha anzima, sonke siyazi ngokwembali nakwiincwadi zethu zentengiso, ukuba awunciphisi kuhlahlo lwabiwo-mali. Abo bangabasikiyo, ekupheleni kosuku, ngabo abaphumeleleyo.
eTN: Ukhenketho lwaseTurkey luqhuba kakuhle.
Hulya: Ewe.
eTN: Yinto emangalisayo ukuyibona.
U-Hulya: Ndicinga ukuba sinamandla kakhulu, kwaye njengoko benditshilo, iTurkey iye yaba namahla ndinyuka, ke ngokwenyani asiyithathi nzulu le ngxaki.
eTN: Ikhona enye into onayo onokongeza uHulya? Bekumnandi.
UHulya: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Ewe, enye into endivuyisa kakhulu njengomongameli, kukuba ngexesha lam kulo nyaka, ndiza kuba newonga lokubhiyoza, sibe newonga lokubhiyozela ngokupheleleyo kunye namalungu ethu, isikhumbuzo seminyaka engamashumi asixhenxe anesihlanu kulo nyaka uzayo. Oku, ndicinga ukuba, iya kuba sisiganeko esibalulekileyo kwimbali ye-Skal, ke ndizama ukwenza umsitho omkhulu kakhulu eParis kwangomhla wama-75 ka-Epreli xa…
eTN: Uthe Paris?
UHulya: Kuba yasekwa eParis. Kwaye ukuba uya eParis kwi-Hotel Scribe, uya kubona uphawu eludongeni, oluthi, iSkal International yasekwa apha eHotel Scribe ngomhla wama-28 kuTshazimpuzi ka-1934. Ngoko kwangolo suku lunye – kungoLwesibini – Ndiyacwangcisa, kusekho izinto ezininzi ezisalindileyo, kodwa noko engqondweni yam, ndiyayazi into endifuna ukuyenza. Ndiyazi ukuba ndingathanda ukwenza umbhiyozo omkhulu kakhulu; Isidlo sangokuhlwa esikhulu kakhulu esizama ukuhlanganisa bonke abachaphazelekayo kukhenketho lwehlabathi ukubhiyozela isikhumbuzo sethu seminyaka engama-75 yokhenketho olucwangcisiweyo, ukuba uyathanda, kuba kum, esi sisiqalo sokhenketho ngesakhiwo. Kwaye, ewe, ndiza kukwazisa, kwaye uya kube sele umenyiwe kulo msitho umnandi, kodwa kufuneka ndisebenze kuyo yonke into ukuze ndifumane onke amacandelo.
