Ukuba ufuna ukwenza ishishini eAfrika, musa ukuya apho! Ubuncinci ungade ube uye kwiNgqungquthela yoShishino yase-US-Afrika ka-2009 eWashington, DC ekupheleni kukaSeptemba. Kweso siganeko uya kudibana nabantu abangaphezu kwama-2,000 kuquka iinkokeli zoshishino, abaphathiswa, amalungu ekhabhinethi, kwaye mhlawumbi noMongameli wase-United States. Emva koko kufuneka ujoyine umbutho ojongene nengqungquthela: IBhunga loShishino lwaseAfrika. Ngoku ukulungele ukuya kwenza ishishini eAfrika!
Namhlanje, sinoSandy Dhuyvetter weTravel Talk Radio eqhuba udliwanondlebe noStephen Hayes, umongameli kunye neCEO yeThe Corporate Council on Africa.
USandy Dhuyvetter: Sinaye umntu obekumboniso rhoqo, kwaye andikwazi ukukuxelela isixa setrafikhi esizisa kwiwebhusayithi. Nonke ninomdla kakhulu e-Afrika, kwaye nonke ninomdla kakhulu kwi-Corporate Council e-Afrika, kwaye sonke siyavuya ukuba sibuyele kunye nathi umongameli kunye ne-CEO, uStephen Hayes. UseWashington, DC ngoku ubuya eKenya nase-Ethiopia kwaye, ngendlela, ndivile ukuba ebesanda kutya isidlo sangokuhlwa noHillary Clinton, ke siza kumbuza ngalonto, naye. Enkosi, Stephen, ngokuba kunye nathi kwakhona.
UStephen Hayes: Ndihlala ndivuya kuSandy; Ndiyakonwabela.
Sandy: Ngokuqinisekileyo kumnandi ukuba nawe kwinkqubo. Nenze umsebenzi omhle kakhulu ekusifundiseni nasekusonwabiseni, ngokunjalo, eAfrika. Ininzi into yokuthetha. Eli zwekazi likhulu, kwaye ndandijonge kwiphepha lethu lasekhaya kwi-TravelTalkRADIO.com. Sidlale umboniso "Ongcono kakhulu" kungekudala kwaye, ngokuqinisekileyo, ubulapho phezulu kwitshathi. Ke ukhankanyiwe, ndicinga ukuba unamacandelo ama-3 ahlukeneyo kwiphepha lasekhaya ke, halala!
Hayes: Ewe, kulungile!
Sandy: Ewe, kwaye ndifuna ukuthi siza kuba ne-transcript yale nto ke ukuba unomdla wokuyifunda, nathi siza kuba nayo. Ngendlela, wamkelekile ekhaya. UbuseKenya nje e-Ethiopia?
Hayes: Kanjalo, bendikwiqonga lengxoxo lonyaka le-AGOA, elibizwa ngokuba yi-Africa Growth and Opportunity Act. Sibe yinxalenye ephambili yaloo nto; sakhokela iforam yecandelo labucala kuloo nto. Iforam ye-AGOA eneneni yintlanganiso yabaphathiswa, bonke abaphathiswa borhwebo abavela kwi-Afrika iphela, kunye nabathunywa abakwinqanaba eliphezulu laseMelika. Kule meko, igqiza laseMelika lalikhokelwa nguHillary Clinton.
Sandy: so, ubukhona, ndivile uba utye naye?
Hayes: Ewe, sityile naye phambi kokuba ahambe. Ubize abalishumi, ndicinga ukuba, abacebisi okanye nantoni na ofuna ukuyibiza, ukuba uzokutya naye isidlo sangokuhlwa ngaphambi kokuba ahambe eWashington ngaphaya kweSebe likaRhulumente. Ke, saba nesidlo sangokuhlwa seeyure ezimbini ukuze sixoxe ngohambo lwakhe lokuya eAfrika kunye nemiba ngamnye kuthi awayecinga ukuba ifanele ichazwe ngoxa wayelapho yaye kwakufuneka ngokwenene ayilungise. Ke, yayisisidlo sangokuhlwa esimnandi kakhulu, kwaye ndaba nethamsanqa ngokwaneleyo ukuba ndibe nesihlalo ecaleni kwakhe. Ngoko, yayisisidlo sangokuhlwa esibalaseleyo.
Sandy: Kuhle, kwaye umfumene ethandeka?
Hayes: Ewe ndiyenzile. Ndimfumene engumntu onobubele kakhulu. Ndaliqonda inqanaba lenkxaso anayo, kwaye ndicinga ukuba uza kwenza uNobhala kaRhulumente omkhulu.
Sandy: Ingathi kunjalo. Uyazi, into endiyifumana inika umdla [kukuba] besinoMongameli Obama kutsha nje eGhana. Ewe, sinoNobhala wethu welizwe uClinton eKenya. Kubonakala ngathi kukho ingqalelo enkulu eAfrika ngoku.
Hayes: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba kufanele kubekho zonke iintlobo zezizathu. UNobhala welizwe uye kumazwe asixhenxe, kwaye ndiyazi ukuba wathi wayezinikele kakhulu e-Afrika kunangaphambi kokuba aqalise uhambo, emva kokuba ebuyile. Ngokuqinisekileyo kukho iimfuno zamandla. Wonke umntu uyazi ukuba, abantu abaninzi bayazi, ukuba iAfrika iza kubonelela malunga neepesenti ezingama-25 zeemfuno zethu zamandla. Ke, loo nto yenza ukuba iAfrika ibaluleke kuthi ngokwezoqoqosho nje. Kodwa, ndicinga ukuba xa sijonga uqoqosho kunye nemiceli mngeni esinayo kuqoqosho lwethu ngoku, ndicinga ukuba i-Afrika ibonelela ngeyona marike igqwesileyo entsha naphi na emhlabeni, kwaye ndicinga ukuba ubudlelwane obukhulu beshishini base-US-Afrika buya kunceda omabini amazwekazi. yaseAfrika namazwe angama-53 akuyo, kunye neUnited States.
Sandy: Yazi uthe 25 pesenti yamandla azovela eAfrika. Ngaba oko kuse-US?
UStephen Hayes: Ukuya e-US. Ilungile lo nto.
Sandy: Inomdla kakhulu. Kuya kwenzeka njani oko? Ngaba iya kuba kwilanga okanye…?
Hayes: Hayi, ndithetha nge oli. Iimfuno zethu ze-oyile zezi… ama-25 epesenti aphuma e-Afrika. Kwaye ke, loo nto yenza ukuba unikezelo lubaluleke kakhulu. Kusenokwenzeka ukuba oko kungakhula ngokuhamba kwexesha, nako. Ngokukodwa, kwakhona, ukuba siya kwigesi yendalo. IAfrika inobutyebi obuninzi koovimba kwirhasi yendalo. Ke, siza kuxhomekeka kwi-Afrika kwiimfuno zethu zamandla amashumi eminyaka.
Sandy: Uyazi, ndiye ndaqonda xa ndisithi "ilanga," andazi ukuba [umntu] angayidlulisela njani isola, kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo amandla elanga anokuba makhulu nalapho, kubonakala ngathi.
Hayes: Ngokweemfuno zamandla e-Afrika, sele kukho umfuniselo wesola. Kusenzima ukuthoba ixabiso lamandla elanga xa kuthelekiswa nezinye iifom zemveli, kodwa ndicinga ukuba kufuneka ibe yinxalenye yexesha elizayo, ngakumbi eAfrika. Ke ewe, kukho ithuba elihle kwabo bantu batyala imali kumandla elanga, ngakumbi ngokubhekisele eAfrika. Kodwa iimfuno zamandla e-Afrika zizakuba nkulu ngokunjalo, ukuze bakwazi ukuthenga amandla, kuza kufuneka bathengise amandla ngokwemimiselo [yesiqhelo] ye-oyile, baze batyale imali kwezinye iintlobo zamandla ukuze bazenzele ezabo. ukusetyenziswa.
Sandy: Xa ucinga ngolo hlobo, kwisithuba seminyaka elishumi, ilizwekazi linokuba namandla kakhulu, akunjalo?
Hayes: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba ngokwezoqoqosho lilizwekazi elinamandla amakhulu, malunga nayo nantoni na. Ngokubhekiselele kubaphulaphuli bakho bemveli kushishino lokuhamba, kungaphaya kwamandla amakhulu amathuba [akho] kulo naliphi na ilizwe. I-Ethiopia inesakhono esikhulu sokhenketho esingasetyenziswanga njalo njalo. Amandla ezoqoqosho eAfrika mkhulu kakhulu, kodwa kusafuneka boyise imiqobo embalwa ukuze bahlangabezane nesakhono.
Sandy: Yinyani. Sisebenza kakhulu ne-Ethiopian Airlines, kwaye andazi ukuba sele unalo na ithuba lokubhabha, kodwa umnqwazi wam uye kubo Baligcinile eli lizwe kunye, benza kunye nokugcina iindlela zihamba kunye hayi kakhulu. yabakhweli, ekuqinisekiseni ukuba isibhakabhaka esivulekileyo kwihlabathi labo, sihlala sivulekile. Ngaba unengxaki xa unqumla ukuya e-Afrika kufuneka ungene kwaye uphume?
Hayes: Ewe, akunjalo, njengoko bendisiya kumazibuko amakhulu, kodwa ukuba uzama ukuhamba [usuka] kwelinye ilizwe uye kwelinye, kunzima kakhulu. Ndiyavuya ukuba uthethe into oyenzileyo nge-Ethiopian Airlines; Ndicinga ukuba lelinye lawona abalaseleyo eAfrika. I-Ethiopian Airlines, i-Kenya Airlines, kunye ne-South African Airways onke ngamalungu eBhunga leQumrhu, kwaye ndicinga ukuba zonke ziqhutywa kakuhle, kodwa ndicinga ukuba, mva nje, i-Ethiopian Airlines yinqwelomoya elawulwa kakuhle kakhulu. Ndicinga ukuba baphumelele ibhaso elikhulu eLondon…
Sandy: oh kulungile! Ukuba ubukhe waya eAfrika, uyazi kakuhle ukuba ndithetha ukuthini. Ikrazula imitya yentliziyo yakho. Yinto nje efika kuwe. Ikhula kuwe. Uqala ukuyithanda, kwaye akukho kubuya ngamva. Ndibe nohambo lwam lwesibhozo lokuya eAfrika. Kwaye sithetha noStephen Hayes. Stephen, kufuneka ubenantoni, 50, 100 lohambo lokuya eAfrika ngoku?
Hayes: Inokuba kufutshane ne-50, kunjalo, ngokuqinisekileyo kule minyaka ilishumi.
Sandy: Iyamangalisa. UStephen Hayes ngumongameli kunye neCEO ye [The] Corporate Council on Africa. Uhlala eWashington DC. Usanda kubuya eKenya nase-Ethiopia. Siye sathetha kancinci malunga, hayi uhambo lwakhe kuphela apho, kodwa ezinye zezinto eziqhubekayo e-Afrika, kungekhona nje kukhenketho kunye nokuhamba, kodwa kuwo onke amashishini kunye namathuba [amangalisa]. Ngoku, ulungiselela ingqungquthela enkulu kwaye iyenzeka kuphela emva kweminyaka emibini, ngoko ke kufuneka ube nemincili kakhulu ngayo.
Hayes: Ewe, imincili yenye yeendlela zokuyibeka. Uloyiko, uloyiko, ewe. Yeyona ntlanganiso yoshishino yase-US-Afrika yalo naluphi na uhlobo kwaye silindele, kuba iseWashington DC ngeli xesha, silindele malunga nama-2,000 abathathi-nxaxheba – oosomashishini abasuka kulo lonke elase-United States nase-Afrika. Sele sinooNobhala beKhabhinethi ababini abaqinisekisiweyo ngale nto: uNobhala wezoRhwebo, ummeli wezorhwebo wase-US. Ndinethemba elikhulu lokuba siya kuba noNobhala Welizwe kwaye, ngethemba, siya kuba noMongameli wase-United States naye apha. Sinoomongameli base-Afrika abamalunga neshumi esele beyiqinisekisile le nto, ngokunjalo. Ke, yinkqubo enkulu kwezoqoqosho, ezopolitiko, kunye nentlalontle, ngokunjalo. Ngumsitho weshishini ongundoqo ngokobudlelwane boqoqosho lwe-US-Afrika. Ukuba nabani na onomdla [eku]tyala imali e-Afrika kuluhlu lwemimandla, nokuba lukhenketho, amandla, iziseko zophuhliso, impilo, naliphi na inani lamacandelo, ngoko ke kufuneka ukuba abe kule ngqungquthela.
Sandy: ngoku izoba ekupheleni kuka September, akunjalo?
Hayes: Kulungile. NgoSeptemba 29-Oktobha 1. Kodwa, oku ngokwenene kuya kuba yiveki yengqungquthela ngeendlela ezininzi. Ngaphambi kwengqungquthela ngomhla wama-28 kunye nowama-29, senza ngokwahlukileyo oko sikubiza ngokuba ziindibano zocweyo “zokungakhuphisani”: Ukwenza uShishino e-Ethiopia, ukwenza uShishino eNigeria, kunye nokwenza uShishino e-Angola. Iindibano zocweyo zesiqingatha sosuku. Ziya kukhululeka kuye nabani na ohlawulweyo ukuba eze encotsheni. Ke, ezo ziya kubaluleka kwaye, emva koko, siya kuba neengxoxo-mpikiswano zamazwe amabini kuphela ngesimemo kunye noMzantsi Afrika kunye neNigeria. Ngexesha lengqungquthela ngokwayo, siya kuba neendibano zocweyo ezingama-64, inani leengxoxo kwaye, ewe, iintetho ezininzi ezinkulu ezivela kwinto esithemba ukuba iya kuba nguMongameli wase-United States, kodwa ngokuqinisekileyo kwinqanaba lakhe eliphezulu lekhabhinethi, ngokunjalo. ezinye iintloko zamazwe aseAfrika.
Sandy: Ukuba ubuyinkampani engaphandle kweThe Corporate Council in Africa, kwaye ubona ukuba ithuba lininzi eAfrika, leliphi icandelo ubunokuthi ubeke umnwe wakho kulo?
Hayes: Ndicinga ukuba icandelo loshishino lwezolimo kunye necandelo lokhenketho [ziindawo] ezimbini apho iinkampani zaseMelika zinokuzuza ngokwenene [kwaye] apho nazo zinenzuzo yokuthelekisa. Ilizwe ngalinye e-Afrika lifuna amacandelo anamandla oshishino lwezolimo. Ilizwe ngalinye e-Afrika linokuvelisa ezolimo, kwaye kufuneka siqinise obo budlelwane borhwebo, kwaye ndicinga ukuba kukho indima yokwenyani kunye nemfuno yoshishino lwezolimo lwase-US. Ndicinga ukuba ukhenketho ngomnye ummandla apho lunamandla angenamkhawulo, ilizwe nelizwe. Eyona nto ekufuneka yenzeke, nangona kunjalo, kukuba iziseko zoncedo kufuneka zakhiwe ukwenza ukhenketho lusebenze kwaye nokukwazi ukufumana izityalo kwiintengiso kwaye lo ngomnye wemicelimngeni emikhulu yase-Afrika, ziziseko zophuhliso kunye nokunqongophala kwazo, kwaye uninzi lweengxaki. Ingqungquthela yethu iya kugxila ekuphuhliseni eso siseko.
USandy: Uyazi, inika umdla kakhulu xa ukhankanya iAngola, kuba ndandiseAngola kwaye, ngokuqinisekileyo, baphuma kwimfazwe yeminyaka engama-30 mhlawumbi kwiminyaka emine okanye emihlanu eyadlulayo. Ke, zisentsha, kodwa ngelixa ndandilapho, sasinonjingalwazi abavela eHawaii ababethetha kwaye beqeqesha amanye amafama ngokulima ipayinapile, kwaye kwakunomdla kakhulu ukubona oko. Kwaye ke babenelinye iqela apho elaliguqula imigodi yomhlaba ibe yimidiliya kwaye bayibiza ngokuba "yimigodi ibe yimidiliya." Zininzi izinto ezinjalo ezenzekayo, huh?
Hayes: Ewe, iAngola lelinye lamazwe [akhulayo] ngenene, kwaye ayenzeki ngengozi ukuba uNobhala weLizwe ebenayo loo nto kuhambo lwakhe, naye. Lilizwe elikhulu elinabantu abazizigidi ezili-13 kuphela, ngoko ke kukho umhlaba ongenasiphelo onokuwusebenzisa, ngakumbi, kwezolimo. Kwakhona, iAngola iza kuba ngumvelisi wethu omkhulu weoyile e-Afrika, idlula iNigeria kungekudala. Kubaluleke kakhulu e-United States kwaye lilizwe nje elinamandla amakhulu eliqalayo, ukuqala nje, ukwenza izinto ngendlela eyiyo.
Sandy: Wow, umdla kakhulu. Uyazi, siye saba lilungu [leBhunga leQumrhu lase-Afrika] kungekudala, kwaye ndichukumisekile koko ndikufumanayo malunga nolwazi lwemihla ngemihla, uStephen unabasebenzi abakhulu.
Hayes: ndiyayenza. Ndinebhongo kakhulu ngaba basebenzi. Ndiyathanda ukuxelela abantu baseWashington [ukuba] ndiza kubeka la basebenzi [phezulu] kuye nabani na. Ngabasebenzi abazinikele kakhulu. Bancinci kakhulu kwaye banetalente kakhulu [abantu] kwaye bazinikele ngokwenene kubudlelwane base-US-Afrika. Ndicinga ukuba ndinethamsanqa kakhulu. [Ndinazo] izifundiswa ezimbini zeRhodes kubasebenzi ngokunjalo, kwaye ke ngabasebenzi abakrelekrele.
Sandy: Ngokuqinisekileyo kunjalo. Kwaye ngoku nawe ubeka phandle, kwaye le yeyamalungu, kwaye siza kuthetha ngobulungu, kodwa bendifuna nje ukuyihlekisa ngokuthi yonke imihla sifumana iBhunga leNkampani kwi-Afrika iindaba zemihla ngemihla, kwaye isasazwa kulo lonke. kwilizwekazi lonke. Yaye yonke imihla, izaliswe ziindaba. Wenza umsebenzi omkhulu kuloo nto, nawe.
Hayes: Enkosi. Ewe, i-Daily Clips igxile kuphela kushishino kwaye njengoko usazi, Sandy, awuboni nanye yaloo nto kumaphephandaba. Kukho inani elikhulu lezivumelwano zoshishino ezenziwa e-Afrika eli lizwe elingaziyo nje. Kwaye, ndicinga ukuba iiClips zethu zemihla ngemihla ziye zaba ngowona mthombo wolwazi lweshishini ngeAfrika kweli lizwe.
Sandy: Yeyona nto ingcono. Ndifuna [ukuba] ndithethe, nam, [malunga nenyaniso yokuba] wenze inkomfa yevidiyo. Ngaba kungomso ukuba sinenkomfa yevidiyo yonozakuzaku waseGhana?
Hayes: Ngumhla wamashumi amabini anesibhozo kuLwesine ozayo, ndicinga ukuba sekunjalo. Kodwa ewe, nyanga zonke senza inkomfa yevidiyo ebukhoma kumalungu ethu nonozakuzaku okhethiweyo wase-US e-Afrika. Yingxoxo engekho rekhodi kwimiba amalungu ethu anokuba nayo kunye nokuba kuqhubeka ntoni kweli lizwe, kwaye inceda amalungu ethu ukuba enze izigqibo ezingcono zotyalo-mali.
Sandy: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Makhe sithethe kancinci ngamalungu kwaye ngubani onokuba lilungu, kwaye ngaba kufuneka ube lilungu ukuze ube kule ngqungquthela besithetha ngayo [ekuthi] ekupheleni kukaSeptemba?
Hayes: Masiqale ngo reverse. Hayi, akunyanzelekanga ukuba ube lilungu. Kufuneka nje ukwazi ukuhlawula. Amalungu, ngokucacileyo, afumana amaxabiso aphantsi kwimisitho enjalo, kodwa ingqungquthela ivulelekile kubo bonke abanomdla wokwenene e-Afrika nabanomdla wokwenene kumathuba otyalo-mali. Ukuba uzimisele ngeAfrika, ungagcina isixa esikhulu semali ngokuya kwingqungquthela. Kwaye, nditsho kuba, ngaphantsi kwetikiti lenqwelomoya eliya e-Afrika, ungadibana naliphi na inani, phantse [inani] elingenamda leeNkokeli zase-Afrika, abaPhathiswa base-Afrika, abenzi bezigqibo, oosomashishini, [kunye] nabanokuba ngamaqabane asuka eMelika. . Kuphela nangona, ukuba uzimisele, kwaye ukuba kunjalo, ndicinga ukuba sesona sigqibo silungileyo onokuthi usenze.
Sandy:Yazi xa uthetha ngokuza kwabaphathiswa ndithetha ukuthi ababantu ngabantu abakwikhabhinethi abazakubakhona,ndiye ndicinge ukuba ungamane unxibelelana nabo buqu.
Hayes: Ewe, uyayenza. Nawuphi na usomashishini oqhelekileyo angahlala apho [aze] athethe nomnye wabaphathiswa bakarhulumente. Ewe, bayikhabhinethi. Leyo yinkcazo yomphathiswa worhulumente waseAfrika lilungu elikwinqanaba lekhabhinethi. Kwaye, siya kuba nabaphathiswa abali-100 abasuka kwiingingqi ezahlukeneyo kunye namazwe kunye namacandelo. ABaphathiswa bezoRhwebo ngokuqinisekileyo baya kuba lapho, abaPhathiswa bezeMpilo, abaPhathiswa bezoKhenketho, njalo njalo.
Sandy: Kuyamangalisa. Makhe sithethe kancinci malunga nobulungu, ingaba ikhona ikhrayitheriya oyijongayo ukuze ube lilungu?
Hayes: Ewe, ngokusisiseko, ukuba ulishishini kwaye uneofisi e-United States, ubukho bomzimba. Ngamanye amazwi, akufuneki ube yinkampani yase-US, ngokwe-se, kodwa ukuba unobukho bomzimba e-United States. Umzekelo, iStandard Bank of Africa ililungu leCCA. Yeyona bhanki inkulu e-Afrika, ezinze eMzantsi Afrika, kodwa inee-ofisi eMelika, ngoko inokujoyina iCCA, kwaye iyenzile. Ngoko ke, ubulungu bobamashishini. Ndicinga ukuba umntu unokuzibonakalisa ukuba ulishishini, kodwa kusafuneka ahlawule ixabiso lobulungu njengalo naliphi na elinye ishishini.
Sandy: Ngaphandle kokufumana iikliphu, iikliphu zeCCA yonke imihla, kunye nenkomfa yevidiyo, ngaba ikhona enye into onokuthi uyongeze kubulungu?
Hayes: Senza imisitho engaphezu kwe-100 ngonyaka. Sineqela elisebenzayo lokhuseleko. Akunyanzelekanga ukuba ube seWashington ukuze uye kuloo nto. Ungakwenza oko nge-teleconference okanye ukufowunela kwaye ube lapho. Kodwa, sineqela elisebenzayo lokhuseleko, sineqela elisebenzayo kwiziseko ezingundoqo ezidibana rhoqo ngenyanga, sinentlanganiso yoshishino lwezempilo rhoqo ngenyanga, [kunye] njalo, [kunye] neenkomfa. Sikwanazo neenkonzo zophando. Ukuba ilungu lifuna uphando ngommandla othile wemarike, ngoko sinabasebenzi abaza kulibhala elo phepha, [kwaye] baya kusebenzela phezu kwabo baze babacebise. Nakwezona nkampani zinkulu, bahlala benobunzima bokufumana iintlanganiso nabantu. Siza kumisa [umzekelo], ukuba ufuna intlanganiso kunye no-Ambassador waseNigeria, kwaye unetyala elihle kulo, ngoko siya kuseka loo ntlanganiso. Oonozakuzaku bathanda ukusihlonipha kwaye basimamele, kwaye sinokungena lula kuneenkampani ezininzi zeentlanganiso ezinjalo. Ukuba ufuna ingcebiso malunga nokuya kwilizwe, udinga ingcebiso malunga nokuba udibana nabani, siya kukufumanela loo nto, ngokunjalo. Ngaphandle koko, ngokungazibandakanyi ne-CCA, kwaye uzama ukwenza oko ngokwakho, unokuya, uthi, naliphi na ilizwe kwaye ungabi nombono omncinci wendlela esebenza ngayo, ngubani oza kuyibona, [okanye] apho uya khona. Uchitha ixesha elininzi kunye nemali eninzi. Ndithi ukuba unomdla e-Afrika, ukutyala imali e-Afrika, ubulungu kwi-CCA yenye yezona zinto zilungileyo onokuthi ube nazo. Kodwa ukuba awuzukusisebenzisa, nangona kunjalo, udlala ngemali yakho. Ke, ukuba umntu uyasijoyina, kufuneka azibophelele ekusisebenziseni.
Sandy: Into endiyithandayo ngayo [kukuba] kufana nokuba neqabane ngaphandle kokwabelana ngokulinganayo.
Hayes: Ewe, ndicinga ukuba kunjalo. Ngabasebenzi abondisiweyo. Kutshiphu kakhulu kunokuba unokuhlawula umntu omnye wabasebenzi ukuba enze into engama-30 yabasebenzi bethu abanokukwenzela yona.
Sandy: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Unyanisile ngokupheleleyo. Ngaba uya e-Afrika kwakhona ngaphambi kwengqungquthela ekupheleni kukaSeptemba?
Hayes: Hayi andizuhamba ndawo ngoku. Andithathi neholide kude kube semva kwengqungquthela.
Sandy: Ewe, bendizokubuza, ngalo lonke ixesha ndithetha nawe, uke waya e-Afrika kwaye ayingohambo olufutshane olu. Ndiyathetha, inkulu kakhulu kunokuya eLondon okanye eParis. Oku kukhulu. Njengomhambi, kwaye bendifuna ukungena entlokweni yakho kuloo nxalenye yayo, naluphi na uhlobo [lweengcebiso] onokuba nalo kubahambi abaya e-Afrika?
Hayes: Ewe, yazi, yiba nomonde. Elo iya kuba licebiso lokuqala. Izikhululo zeenqwelo moya azikho umgangatho ofanayo umzekelo. Baxinene ngakumbi. Kufuneka nje ube nomonde kodwa kwakhona, kwakhona, ulungiselele kwangaphambili. Qinisekisa ukuba unaye umntu oza kudibana nawe kwisikhululo seenqwelomoya, hayi kakhulu ngenxa yezizathu zokhuseleko, kodwa ngenxa yezizathu zokukhululeka kunye nokukwazi ukuhambahamba kakhulu. Ngoko ke, kufuneka wenze amalungiselelo ngakumbi. Awungekhe ubhabhe ngokulula esixekweni e-Afrika ngendlela efanayo onokubhabha ngayo uye eLondon kwaye ujikeleze. Kuyonwabisa ngakumbi ukuba uyakwenza, kunjalo, kodwa kunokuba lulonwabo ngakumbi kunokuba ufuna okanye oyifunayo.
Sandy: Kunjalo, kunjalo, kwaye ukuba ulapho ngeshishini, ufuna ukuya kwishishini, ke le yenye inkalo yalo.
Hayes: Kunjalo, kunjalo.
Sandy: Ewe, njengesiqhelo, silonwabele ixesha lethu nawe. Ngaba unokukholelwa ukuba ihamba ngokukhawuleza?
Hayes: Nam ndinayo.
Sandy: Ewe, sinayo, kwaye siza kukhwela kwinyanga ezayo. Sijonge phambili ekubeni kunye nawe eWashington DC ngasekupheleni kukaSeptemba kwindibano. Simema wonke umntu omameleyo ukuba ajonge, eze kwiwebhusayithi, aqhagamshelane neNkqubo yale Veki, uya kubona umfanekiso kaStephen, ikhonkco kwiCCA, [I] Corporate Council on Africa kunye, kunjalo, uya kufumana ulwazi oluninzi kule ngqungquthela emangalisayo. Kwaye kwenzeka kuphela emva kweminyaka emibini, ngoko musa ukuyibeka phantsi loo nto. Kufuneka uzimase kunye nathi. Enkosi, Stephen. Siza kuthetha nawe kungekudala.
Hayes: Ok, enkosi Sandy.
Sandy: enkosi kakhulu.
