Ukundijoyina ngoku usuka e-Sharm el-Sheikh, eYiphutha, nguMlawuli we-USAID, owayesakuba nguNozakuzaku we-UN, uSamantha Power-kunye noMongameli kwiNgqungquthela yeHlabathi yeMozulu yeHlabathi [iNkomfa yeZizwe eziManyeneyo yoTshintsho lweMozulu ka-2022, aka. COP27]. Enkosi kakhulu uAmbassador Power ngokuba nathi. Umongameli uBiden uza kwiNgqungquthela yeMozulu emva kokuba i-US kunye namanye amazwe aphuhlileyo agxekwa lihlabathi liphela ngokubangela. imo iyatshintsha. UMongameli uchaza into eyenziwa yi-US. Ngaba unenkxalabo yokuba ukuba amaRiphabhlikhi athatha ulawulo lweCongress, le inokuba yinto yokugqibela yokutshintsha kwemozulu kolu lawulo?
UMLAWULI SAMANTHA AMANDLA: Ewe, okokuqala mandithi, Andrea, xa uMongameli weza kwi-COP kulo nyaka uphelileyo - kwiNgqungquthela yeMozulu kunyaka ophelileyo - wakwazi ukuthetha ngeMelika ebuyayo, ebuyela kwiSivumelwano saseParis, ebuyela kwiinzame zokunciphisa ngokukhawuleza. ukukhutshwa kwezinto ezikhutshwayo xa bekukho ukubuyisela umva okuninzi kwimimiselo ebekwe kwindawo kwiminyaka ka-Obama. Kulo nyaka, uyeza sele ekhusele utyalo-mali lwe-368 yeebhiliyoni zeerandi ukulwa nokutshintsha kwemozulu. Kwaye ungakwazi nje – ayigugi, apha kwingqungquthela yemozulu – unokuva phantse ukukhefuzela, kwakhona, njengokuba abantu bezamana nokuba kuthetha ukuthini oko. Kuba ibalulekile, kungekuphela nje malunga ne-United States yokwehlisa ukukhutshwa kunye nokuhlangabezana neethagethi zayo zaseParis ezibekiweyo, esaziyo, ekuhambeni kwexesha, kufuneka senze amabhongo ngakumbi kwaye sikhawulezise. Kodwa ngokwenza – ngokwenza olo tyalo-mali lukhulu apha ngaphakathi – luza kuwahlisa amaxabiso kuyo yonke indawo. Kwaye oko kuthetha ukuba ilanga lithe chatha, umoya othe chatha, ufikelelo olungakumbi kwizinto ezihlaziyekayo ngexabiso eliphantsi, kwiindawo ezinegalelo elibonakalayo kukukhutshwa kwezinto ezikhutshwayo.
Kwaye ke, kwicala lokulungelelanisa, ngokucacileyo, utshintsho lwemozulu luphezu kwethu. Ndikhe ndahamba mva nje – kwezi nyanga zimbini zidlulileyo – zombini ndisiya eSomalia, elinamava lesihlanu lexesha lemvula elingaphumeleliyo, elingazange libonwe ngaphambili kwimbali erekhodiweyo, kunye nePakistan, isithathu sayo esigqibele siphantsi kwamanzi ngenxa yezikhukhula ezingazange zibonwe ngaphambili, ukunyibilika. Umkhenkce odityanisiweyo kunye, kwakhona, iimvula zemonsoon ezithandwayo ekungekho mntu wakha wazibona ngaphambili.
Ke, inxalenye yoko uMongameli u-Biden azibophelele kulo nyaka, ngokunjalo, kukwandisa inkxaso-mali yethu kwinto ebizwa ngokuba luhlengahlengiso, ukunceda amazwe ukuba aqhelane neemeko zikaxakeka zemozulu esele zilapha, nanjengoko sikhawulezisa iinzame zethu zokwehlisa izinto ezikhutshwayo.
U-ANDREA MITCHELL kaMSNBC Unika IINGXELO: Ngenene ube ligorha lendlela kolu lawulo. Kudala ndilandelela uhambo lwakho-iUkraine, ngokuphindaphindiweyo, uvela eLebhanon, ugxile ekuboneleleni kokutya kunye nomba kaPutin kuxelwe ukuba uyasixhasa isivumelwano sokutya okuziinkozo, ukuthumela ukutya okuziinkozo kuLwandle oluMnyama, ngaloo ndlela ivaliwe. Kuninzi okusemngciphekweni kodwa imfazwe yase-Ukraine yonyuse uxinzelelo kwiNtshona Yurophu ukuba iqhubeke nokuthembela kumafutha aphantsi komhlaba - kukho ukugxekwa okuninzi okuba i-US iya kuthembela kumafutha efosili ixesha elide kunokuba ingathanda. ngenxa yemfazwe. Uyibona njani yonke le nto?
AMANDLA OLAWULI: Ndicinga ukuba, kwixesha elifutshane, ngokucacileyo amazwe azamana nokungakhuseleki kwamandla.
Amazwe axhalabile malunga nendlela aza kudlula ngayo ebusika, anexhala malunga nala maxabiso aphakamileyo epetroli, kunye namaxabiso ahlawuliswa nguPutin, kwaye kungekuphela nje nguPutin, njengoko unikezelo luyancipha ngamabomu kwimarike yehlabathi, ngaloo ndlela kuqhuba. nyusa amaxabiso.
Kodwa into endiyibonileyo, ndithethe nje neLebhanon - ayisilolizwe esicinga ngalo kulo mongo, kodwa ngenxa yokuba amaxabiso epetroli aphezulu kakhulu kwaye nombane unqabile kwaye ulinganiselwe kwilizwe apho akukho nto injalo yayicingelwa ngaphambi koqoqosho lwangoku. ingxaki apho. Ngoku sibona umdla wokukhanya kwelanga owawungazange ubekho ngaphambili. Kwaye ngenxa yokuba ubuninzi belanga benziwa kwiindawo ezininzi, amaxabiso aye ehla - ke ngenene uza kubona uluntu oluninzi, kunye necandelo labucala, kunye noorhulumente, ngengqiqo bevota ngeenyawo zabo. Kwaye eli xabiso liphezulu, kwixesha elifutshane, kwi-fuel, kwaye njengoko utsho, kunye nokuthembela kwexesha elifutshane okanye ukubuyela kwikhabhoni, ngendlela eyonakalisayo, ngokungathandabuzekiyo, ngokusingqongileyo. Kodwa akukho mntu ukhululekile kuloo kuxhomekeka. Inene, ndicinga ukuba oko kusanda kwenza nzulu kwaye kwandise i-constituency ukusuka ekuxhomekekeni kumntu ofana noPutin.
NKSK. MITCHELL: Ubusandula e-Ukraine, ngokunjalo, apho imikhosi yase-Ukraine namhlanje ngokutsho kukaMongameli uZelenskyy ingene eKherson, indawo ebaluleke kakhulu - umkhosi waseRashiya uhlehlile kuloo nqaba. UPutin uthathe isigqibo sokungabonakali nakwi-G20 apho kuya kufuneka ajongane neenkokeli zehlabathi, apho azimele yedwa kuluntu lwehlabathi, kwimibutho yamazwe amaninzi-esandayo. Une-veto kwi-UN Security Council, ukwazi oku ngcono kunaye nabani na njengonozakuzaku wangaphambili. Kodwa ulahlekelwe ngokwenene kwiNdibano Jikelele kunye ne-UN, ibhalwe enkulu, akunjalo?
AMANDLA OLAWULI: Ngokuqinisekileyo. Yaye ndicinga ukuba ukusetyenziswa kwezixhobo zokutya kuye kwanendima enkulu kwakunye nesibakala sokuba, ewe, ilizwe ngalinye elilungu leZizwe Ezimanyeneyo linomdla ekuphakamiseni ilizwi lalo nxamnye nogonyamelo olungaxhomekanga nenkohlakalo elolu hlobo. Kuba ilizwe ngalinye elikwiZizwe eziManyeneyo licinga ukuba, “kuthekani ukuba umntu ebenokwenza loo nto kum, ingaziva njani loo nto?”
Banomdla kumthetho wamazwe ngamazwe kunye nokugcinwa kwemfezeko yommandla. Bakwanomdla wokwehlisa amaxabiso okutya kwaye malunga nayo yonke into eyenziwe nguPutin inyuse amaxabiso okutya, amaxabiso epetroli kunye nezichumiso. Ke, loo nto ayimphumeleli naluphi na abahlobo kwinqanaba lehlabathi. Kodwa kwakhona, yintoni imikhosi yakhe ehlangabezana nayo kwidabi ledabi-ayisilo uhlobo lomsebenzi wedabi uPutin angathanda ukuzisa kwingqungquthela yamazwe ngamazwe. Inyani yokuba imikhosi yaseRussia iphulukene nedabi laseKyiv, idabi laseKharkiv, ngoku idabi laseKherson - ayisiyiyo kanye loo nto ingafaki kubantu baseRussia uhlobo lokuzingca uPutin aqhayise ngalo ukuba nguye oza kubuyisela. iRussian Federation. Ngoko eli ibe lixesha elinzima. Kodwa ndiza kuthi, Andrea, into esiyaziyo kuyo yonke imimandla ekhululwe e-Ukraine kukuba kukho le mizobo yolonwabo, kwaye ishukuma ngendlela emangalisayo. Ndicinga ukuba umntu unokuchitha imini yonke ejonge nje abantwana kunye noomakhulu abaphuma kwaye babulisa loo majoni ebona kungekuphela iflegi yase-Ukraine inyuka, kodwa iflegi ye-European Union inyukela kumbindi wedolophu yaseKherson. Kwangaxeshanye, siyazi ukuba njengoko imikhosi yaseRashiya irhoxa, sifunda ngakumbi nangakumbi ngomonakalo owenziwe ngexesha lokuhlala. Kwaye ke, thina, e-USAID kunye norhulumente wase-US, sisebenza kunye namaqabane ethu emhlabeni ukubhala ulwaphulo-mthetho lwemfazwe esaziyo ngoku ukuba buza kutyhilwa, njengoko abantu base-Ukrainian bephinda bemisa ubukho babo apho.
NKSK. MITCHELL: Njengoko wawuqalisa umsebenzi wakho, ukubhala ngokuchukumisayo eBosnia malunga nokubulawa kwabantu. Ngaba uyakholelwa ngokwenene ukuba kuya kubakho ukuphendula ngenxa yezothuso zaseUkraine?
AMANDLA OLAWULI: Ewe, into endiyithethayo kukuba abantu baseUkraine benze zonke iintlobo zezinto ukuza kuthi ga ngoku ekungekho mntu ukholelwa ukuba zinokwenzeka. Iingcali kuyo yonke indawo, kuquka abo basondele kakhulu kuPutin, ababecinga ukuba baya kuba nako ukuphumelela oku, ngokukhawuleza kakhulu. Ndiyakwazi kwakhona ukutsala kumava am - njengoko ukhankanyile eBosnia - apho kungekho mntu wayecinga ukuba kuya kubakho uxanduva lolwaphulo-mthetho lwemfazwe apho, okanye ukuba Slobodan Milošević , Ratko Mladić, aba bafana baya kuphelela emva kwezitshixo. Ubomi bude, bhala ubungqina, ukuseka ubungqina be-forensic, kwaye uqhubeke - kwimeko yase-United States, ukuxhasa ukhuseleko loluntu, iinzame zezoqoqosho, kunye namaxwebhu obugebengu bemfazwe emhlabeni, kwaye izinto zinokujika ngokukhawuleza.
NKSK. MITCHELL: USamantha Power sijonge kwimifanekiso ephilayo, imifanekiso yoloyiso yenkululeko kaKherson. Kwaye ndifuna ukuthi iyashukuma, ngaphandle kokuqhushumba kwekhaphethi, ngaphandle kwayo yonke into eyoyikisayo abayifumeneyo - kwaye ube ngumgangatho apho wokomelela kwaba bantu kunye nabantu kwihlabathi liphela njengoko uhamba. , kwihlabathi jikelele, kwiminyaka emibini edlulileyo. Besijongile, enkosi kakhulu. Enkosi ngale nto uyenzayo.
AMANDLA OLAWULI: Enkosi, Andrea. Enkosi.
